ΑΠΟ ΤΟΝ ΝΙΚΟ ΝΙΚΟΛΑΪΔΗ
Αγαπητέ Κωνσταντίνε,
Σου γράφω από την Καλιφόρνια, όπου ζω 30 περίπου χρόνια, για να φέρω στην προσοχή σου
μια ιστοσελίδα του ΜΙΤ (όπου εργάζεσαι), στην οποία αναφέρεται ότι όλοι οι αρχαίοι Έλληνες φιλόσοφοι της Μικρασίας είχαν γεννηθεί στην Τουρκία. (Προσοχή: όχι στη χώρα που σήμερα λέγεται Τουρκία. Στην Τουρκία, σκέτο.)
μια ιστοσελίδα του ΜΙΤ (όπου εργάζεσαι), στην οποία αναφέρεται ότι όλοι οι αρχαίοι Έλληνες φιλόσοφοι της Μικρασίας είχαν γεννηθεί στην Τουρκία. (Προσοχή: όχι στη χώρα που σήμερα λέγεται Τουρκία. Στην Τουρκία, σκέτο.)
Έχω σπουδάσει δημοσιογραφία και φωτογραφία σε τρια πανεπιστημια, ειμαι γιος πανεπιστημιακου ( του Παυλου του Νικολαϊδη, αρχιτεκτονα του Πανεπιστημιου της Πατρας κι αρκετων σχολειων, πρωην καθηγητη Ιστοριας Τεχνης κ Ακαδημα’ι’κου Σχεδιου στο Μαιαμι της Φλοριντα ( ΗΠΑ ), με καταγωγη απο την κατοχικη Αθηνα ).
Θελω να μοιραστω μαζι σου μια πληροφορια, μια ηλεκτρονικη προωθηση απο τον ελληνοαμερικανο καθηγητη Νικο Γιαννουκακη ( Πιτσμπεργκ – ΗΠΑ ) προς εμενα, ταυτοχρονα με ενα υποστηρικτικο πολυετες αρχειακο δειγμα που αφορα μια συγκεκριμενη επικοινωνιακη στρατηγικη της Τουρκιας να προμοταρει στα ξενα μηντια την meme ( =“μιμ” στα ελληνικα – οπου μιμ οριζεται ενα “δαρβινικο σλογκαν”): ΑΡΧΑΙΑ ΤΟΥΡΚΙΑ.
Με την αδεια του Νικου Γιαννουκακη, δινω πιο κατω την προ ημερων επικοινωνια του με ολες τις πληροφοριες για το ΜΙΤ, ενω αμεσως μετα το αρχειο μου στο ιδιο ζητημα, δηλαδη την επικοινωνιακη στρατηγικη της Τουρκιας με επικεντρο την μιμ Αρχαια Τουρκια, προς ενημερωση σου.
Σε ευχαριστω πολυ.
Με χαιρετισμους απο την Πολιτεια της Καλιφορνια.
ΥΓ. Εχω ερθει σε επαφη με Υπουργεια Πολιτισμου, Παιδειας και Εξωτερικων ( Α7, Ε1, Α4 ) και τις Φιλοσοφικες Αθηνων και Θεσσαλονικης.
Τωρα ενημερωνω καθηγητες απο το ιδιο το ΜΙΤ.
Νικος
1 ) Η ΕΠΙΚΟΙΝΩΝΙΑ ΤΟΥ ΚΑΘΗΓΗΤΗ ΓΙΑΝΝΟΥΚΑΚΗ ΑΠΟ ΤΟ ΠΙΤΣΜΠΕΡΓΚ ΓΙΑ ΤΗΝ ΙΣΤΟΣΕΛΙΔΑ ΤΟΥ ΜΙΤ.
Νίκο, ρίξε μια ματιά εδώ τι έκαναν στο ΜΙΤ.
και το disclaimer:
Ενα δειγμα για τον Θαλη της Μιλητου.
N.
My comment to them:
Dear Sir/Madam,
You list the *birthplace* of some ancient Greek philosophers as
*Turkey*. This is historically-wrong and an eminent institution like MIT
undermines its academic credibility with such blatant and elementary
errors.
The place of birth (i.e. the geographic location) of these philosophers,
*at the time they were born* was known by its Greek name (Ionia, for
example). Turkey came into existence as a nation-state 2000 years later.
You might want to state “the birthplace was in present-day Turkey” and
that would be fine, but the way you present this creates the impression
that there is a political issue behind your treatment of Greek
philosophers.
Please correct this. It is unbecoming of MIT. I shall distribute this
note and the weblink to thousands of scholars over the world, including
to your departmental head and your university leadership until the error
is corrected.
Thank you,
Dr. Nick Giannoukakis
Carnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh, PA
ΤΟ ΑΡΧΕΙΟ ΜΟΥ για την ΜΙΜ “ΑΡΧΑΙΑ ΤΟΥΡΚΙΑ”
( Καθε στοιχειο εχει την πηγη και ημερομηνια δημοσιευσης του – εαν χρειαζεται διευκρινιση οπου αναφερεται η λεξη Τουρκια εννοω φυσικα την τουρκικη κυβερνηση και οχι τον συμπαθεστατο λαο της Τουρκιας )
Η ΕΠΙΚΟΙΝΩΝΙΑΚΗ ΣΤΡΑΤΗΓΙΚΗ ΤΗΣ ΤΟΥΡΚΙΑΣ ΣΤΑ ΑΜΕΡΙΚΑΝΙΚΑ ΜΗΝΤΙΑ
(15 παραδειγματα)
ΤΟΥΡΚΙΑ ΔΙΑΦΗΜΙΣΕΙΣ – ΑΡΘΡΑ ΓΙΑ ΑΡΧΑΙΑ ΤΟΥΡΚΙΑ.
1 ) The New York Times, Sunday April 2, 2000 / pTR17
( Full page-advertisement for Turkey. Subtitle : MEANDERING THROUGH THE AGES. Upper half has four small photos and a map of the Menderes river. The text is a story explaining the culture that lies left and right of the Menderes, a river that cuts Turkey from Afyon to Miletus. The photos are of : Ephesus, an exotic beach, the thermal baths of Pamukkale and one of smiling fruit vendors. The text’s editor is Tom Brosnahan.
The lower-half has again the photo of Ephesus and five more photos on a strip and with big letters say : SEE THE WORLD FROM HERE. FOR 10.000 YEARS, TURKEY HAS ENDURED. IT IS A LAND OF ANCIENT CIVILIZATIONS AND MODERN CULTURES. IF YOU’D LIKE A TOUR OF HISTORIC PROPORTIONS, TURKEY IS ALIVE WITH WELL-PRESERVED ARCHITECTURAL SITES. COME STAND IN THE LAND WHERE WORLD HISTORY LIVES. AND HEAR THE ECHOES OF THE ANCIENTS.
With big letters the word TURKEY decorates the space under the Ephesus photo and as subtitle has : THE CENTER OF WORLD HISTORY.
Exactly below has contact info for Tourism in Turkey. At the very bottom the logo of Turkish Airlines – 66 years in The Sky
2 ) The New York Times Magazine / Sept 10, 2000 / p61
( Full page-advertisement for Turkey. 4 photos showing various dishes of Turkish food and a market with smiling fruit vendors.
On the upper-half it says : 10.000 course meals. Turkey has been host to many civilizations. Some came to conquer, some came to trade. Some were just passing through. Most left their cultural, artistic and architectural imprints on this timeless land. The food you ‘ll experience in Turkey is influenced by Italy, Greece, China Africa and India. There is something for every taste. AFTER ALL, WE’ VE BEEN PERFECTING OUR RECIPES FOR 10.000 YEARS.
On the lower half TURKEY is written with big bold letters and exactly below The Center Of World History
Then, phone numbers and various e-sites for Tourism in Turkey.
I saw the same or similar advertisement in the year 2000, in the Magazine for girls “Seventeen” and the “American-PHOTO”.
3 ) The New York Times / Sept 19, 2005 / Front page and A3.
Title : A Congress, Burried in Sand, Inspired One on a Hill
By Richard Bernstein
PATARA, Turkey –
Alexander the Great was here, and so was Saint Paul, on his way to Ephesus.
Centuries later, the drafters of the American Constitution took the ancient Lycian League, which was based here, as an early example — in fact, it was history’s earliest example — of the form of republican government they envisaged as well.
The Lycian League was mentioned twice in the Federalist Papers, once by Alexander Hamilton, once by James Madison, so it could safely be said that it entered into the history of the formation of the United States. ETC
4 ) The San Francisco Chronicle / October 6, 2005 / pE8
Title : Uncrowded gems among Turkey’s Ancient riches
By Richard Plunkett
LONELY PLANET
“Classical Greek cities, Hittite castles and Roman rock tombs abound across Turkey – by one estimate, there are 40.000 ancient sites in the country, more than in Greece or Italy… ETC
( One photo of the ancient theater at Termessos )
5 ) The New York Times / Tuesday June 13, 2006 / p B1 / The Arts
By Sebnem Arsu
ISTANBUL, June 12 – The theft of some rare artifacts from a remote museum is focusing attention on how casually Turkey guards its art treasures even ones it once fought to reclaim from institutions abroad like the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York…ETC
6 ) The San Francisco Chronicle / Sept 7, 2006 / pE2
TITLE : “In Turkey, there’s no need to dig deep for history or culture”
By Tracy Barnett ( San Antonio Express-News )
ISTANBUL – My arrival in this millennial city couldn’t have been more picturesque. ETC
( One photo of the Istanbul bazaar ).
7 ) The San Francisco Chronicle / April 13, 2007 / p A19
Σε ενα μικρο αρθρο για το Κουρδικο ζητημα στην Τουρκια το οποιο το εγραψε η Σαμπρινα Ταβερνις για τους Νιου Γιορκ Ταιμς σε συνεργασια με το Ασσοσ Πρες, στην τελευταια παραγραφο του, στο λεγομενο κικερ του αρθρου, ο προεδρος της Τουρκικης Βουλης Μπουλετ Αρινκ, λεει : Η Αμερικη φευγει απο την περιοχη εδω αλλα εμεις υπαρχουμε σ αυτη τη περιοχη για χιλιαδες χρονια”.
8 ) The San Francisco Chronicle / Sunday, January 27, 2008 / pE8
2/3 της σελιδας διαφημιστικο με εναν ελληνικο ναο και πανω του αλλες τρεις μικροτερες φωτο με εναν ναο και ενα χαμογελαστο νεαρο ζευγαρι, εναν αρχαιο ναο και στη τριτη μια ομορφη κοπελα ημιγυμνη που κρατα αισθησιακα ενα μαντηλι στον ανεμο καθως βγαινει απο μια πισινα.
Στο περιθωριο οι λεξεις ¨ΙΣΤΟΡΙΑ ΚΟΥΛΤΟΥΡΑ ΚΑΙ ΛΑΟΣ. Με μικροτερα γραμματα ο υποτιτλος λεει : Τουρκια – Σκεψου το σαν ενα 10.000 χρονων ανοικτο μουσειο το οποιο παραμενει ανοικτο 24 ωρες . Στο κατω μερος παλι η λεξη ΤΟΥΡΚΙΑ με μεγαλα γραμματα και υποτιτλο : “Σας καλοσωριζει”
Απο κατω εχουν την ιστοσελιδαwww.goturkey.comκα
Γιατι τα τρια πρωτα γραμματα got ηχουν γνωστα στα αυτια του μεσου αμερικανου απο την αλλη πετυχημενη διαφημιστικη εκστρατεια για το γαλα, την gotmilk? ).
9 ) The New York Times / Nov 18, 2008 / pA5
Full page advertisement for a MET exhibition called : “Beyond Babylon : Art, Trade and Diplomacy in the second Millenium B.C.”, on view through March 15, 2009. Sponsors four of the largest conglomerates in Turkey ( Dogan, Dogus, Koc, Sabanci ) and DEIK the Turkish-American Business Council. Here is a bit about the show : http://ufdc.ufl.edu/
The NYT page had a huge picture of a Pendant with a Nude Female, ca 1300B.C. from a Uluburun shipwreck.
10) The New York Times / Sat. December 24, 2011 / pA22 ( Christmas 2011 )
Full page advertisement for Santa and the city of Mira. The page features a whole page photo of a statue of Saint Nicholas and a superimposed smiling four years old girl dressed like Santa. On the top it says with big letters MERRY CHRISTMAS. Subtitle : NEXT YEAR PAY SANTA A VISIT. To the right of that there is a picture of an oversized stamp with picture an orange cut in half facing the viewer and says ANTALYA at the bottom and BE OUR GUEST on top. Above the stamp it explains about Santa : “MYRA, ANTALYA. Saint Nicholas, a 4th century bishop with a notable habit of secret gift-giving resided in the Lycian town of Myra now known as Demre, Turkey. He’s buried in a 5th century Byzantine church decorated with vibrant frescoes detailing his life and miracles”.
At the bottom of the page with big letters the word TURKEY with subtitle : be our guest
Sponsor of the page is again Turkish Airlines thengoturkey.com
11 ) Turkey’s Promo-Posters 2011
12) The New York Times INTERNATIONAL Friday, February 10, 2012 / pA9
A quarter of a page advertisement with balloons (αεροστατα) observed from a hill by a biker and superimposed the following words : THE WORLD AWAITS. WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR ? Below it says : VISIT TURKEY > Istanbul, Ephesus, Turquoise and Mediterranean coasts, Cappadocia, Nemrut and other destinations reflecting the beauties and diversity of where EAST meets WEST are awaiting your discovery. Don’t forget to follow in THE FOOTSTEPS OF SAINT PAUL and visit the seven cities of revelation in Turkey, ENJOY TURKISH HOSPITALITY.
TURKEY
Be our guest.
The New York Times TRAVEL SHOW
( Here let me remind of my response to Brian Doyle’s book review for Tom Perratta’s “The Leftovers”, published Sept 4, 2011 at the SF Chronicle for callingSaint Paul a Turk. First paragraph, here : http://www.sfgate.com/
13 ) The New York Times / Tuesday, January 24, 2012 / D1
By Jeniffer Pinkowski
TITLE : After Being Stricken by Drought, Istanbul Yields Ancient Treasure
ISTANBUL — For 1,600 years, this city — Turkey’s largest — has been built and destroyed, erected and erased, as layer upon layer of life has thrived on its seven hills. ETC
14 ) ΔΩΜΑΤΙΟ 54 – ROOM 54 – BRITISH MUSEUM LONDON ( ΚΥΤΤΑΞΤΕ ΣΤΟ ΠΙΟ ΚΑΤΩ ΣΥΝΔΕΣΜΟ ΤΟΥ ΒΡΕΤΑΝΙΚΟΥ ΜΟΥΣΕΙΟΥ, ΟΠΟΥ ΕΝΤΕΛΩΣ ΠΡΟΚΛΗΤΙΚΑ ΑΝΑΓΡΑΦΟΝΤΑΙ ΟΙ ΛΕΞΕΙΣ “ΑΡΧΑΙΑ ΤΟΥΡΚΙΑ” ! )
15 ) Σας δινω αρθρο στους ΝΥ Τα’ι’μς ( 1 Οκτ 2012 ) για την επιθετικη εκστρατεια της Τουρκιας να εγκαθυδρισει την Αρχαια της υποσταση μεσω ελληνο-ρωμαικων αρχαιοτητων ( μια σπανια ισως μοναδικη περιπτωση στον κοσμο χωρας, που προσπαθει με νυχια-και-με-δοντια να εγκαθυδρισει την αρχαια ιστορια που γραψαν αλλοι λαοι στον τοπο που ο δικος της λαος κατεχει τωρα ).
Επισης δινω ξανα ακριβως απο κατω το αρχειο για την επικοινωνιακη εκστρατεια που κανει η Τουρκια στα Αμερικανικα μηντια.
Και κατι τελευταιο.
Μια αλλη πανεξυπνη κινηση που κανουν οι Τουρκοι ειναι να υπερπαιζουν το ονομα Τροια. Πες γιατι στα Αγγλικα βρισκεται κοντα στη λεξη Τουρκια, πες γιατι συνειδητα καταλαβαινουν οτι στηριζει ιστορικα την ΕΠΙΚΟΙΝΩΝΙΑΚΗ διπολικοτητα με την Ελλαδα και ταυτοχρονα δινει – ψευτικα – αρχαιο κυρος, ‘η απλα εμπορικο πλεονεκτημα μεσω της αναγνωρισιμοτητας. Στο αρθρο αναφερεται και η Τροια.
Δειτε επισης πως χρησιμοποιουν τον τοπο και οχι την γλωσσα για την εθνοτικη ανοικοδομηση τους…
Να το αρθρο :
Monday, Oct 1, 2012 – THE NEW YORK TIMES
Seeking Return of Art, Turkey Jolts Museums
By DAN BILEFSKY
ISTANBUL — An aggressive campaign by Turkey to reclaim antiquities it says were looted has led in recent months to the return of an ancient sphinx and many golden treasures from the region’s rich past. But it has also drawn condemnation from some of the world’s largest museums, which call the campaign cultural blackmail.
In their latest salvo, Turkish officials this summer filed a criminal complaint in the Turkish court system seeking an investigation into what they say was the illegal excavation of 18 objects that are now in the Metropolitan Museum of Art’s Norbert Schimmel collection.
Last year, Turkish officials recalled, Turkey’s director-general of cultural heritage and museums, Murat Suslu, presented Met officials with a stunning ultimatum: prove the provenance of ancient figurines and golden bowls in the collection, or Turkey could halt lending treasures. Turkey says that threat has now gone into effect.
“We know 100 percent that these objects at the Met are from Anatolia,” the Turkish region known for its ancient ruins, Mr. Suslu, an archaeologist, said in an interview. “We only want back what is rightfully ours.”
Turkey’s efforts have spurred an international debate about who owns antiquities after centuries of shifting borders. Museums like the Met, the Getty, the Louvre and the Pergamon in Berlin say their mission to display global art treasures is under siege from Turkey’s tactics.
Museum directors say the repatriation drive seeks to alter accepted practices, like a widely embraced Unesco convention that lets museums acquire objects that were outside their countries of origin before 1970. Although Turkey ratified the convention in 1981, it is now citing a 1906 Ottoman-era law — one that banned the export of artifacts — to claim any object removed after that date as its own.
Thievery and looting are wrong, Turkey says, no matter when they occurred. “Artifacts, just like people, animals or plants, have souls and historical memories,” said Turkey’s culture minister, Ertugrul Gunay. “When they are repatriated to their countries, the balance of nature will be restored.”
Turkey is not alone in demanding the return of artifacts removed from its borders; Egypt and Greece have made similar demands of museums, and Italy persuaded the Met to return an ancient bowl known as the Euphronios krater in 2006.
But Turkey’s aggressive tactics, which come as the country has been asserting itself politically in the Middle East in the wake of the Arab Spring, have particularly alarmed museums. Officials here are refusing to lend treasures, delaying the licensing of archaeological excavations and publicly shaming museums.
“The Turks are engaging in polemics and nasty politics,” said Hermann Parzinger, president of the Prussian Cultural Heritage Foundation, which oversees the Pergamon. “They should be careful about making moral claims when their museums are full of looted treasures” acquired, he said, by the Ottomans in their centuries ruling parts of the Middle East and southeast Europe.
One example is a prized sarcophagus named for Alexander the Great, discovered in Sidon, Lebanon, in 1887, and now in Istanbul’s Archaeological Museum. Mr. Suslu said the sarcophagus was legally Turkey’s because it had been excavated on territory that belonged to Turkey at the time.
Turkey’s campaign has enjoyed notable success, however. Last year the Pergamon agreed to return a 3,000-year-old sphinx from the Hittite Empire that Turkey said had been taken to Germany for restoration in 1917. German officials said Turkey had threatened to block major archaeological projects if the sphinx did not come home.
But even after it had, the Germans complained, Turkey still declined to collaborate and refused to lend four objects for a current exhibition. Mr. Suslu indicated that the Pergamon had to return other disputed items before loans would resume.
Mr. Parzinger said Turkey had no legal claim to the contested objects it says his museum has illegally, and that treating Germany like a petty thief puts more than a century of archaeological cooperation at risk and harms relations between the countries as Turkey seeks to join the European Union. He pointed out that Westerners had been at the forefront of safeguarding Turkey’s rich history.
“If all Westerners are just thieves and robbers,” he asked, “then who has been restoring their cultural heritage?”
In another victory for Turkey, last month the University of Pennsylvania’s Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology announced that it had agreed to lend indefinitely 24 artifacts to Turkey from ancient Troy whose murky provenance helped inspire the 1970 Unesco convention. Turkey, in turn, promised future loans and collaboration with the university.
Some museum directors said that they feared that the surrender of the objects by the university, which acquired them in 1966, threatened to lead to a flood of further claims.
In September 2011, the Museum of Fine Arts, Boston, returned the top half of an 1,800-year-old statue, “Weary Herakles,” which the Turkish prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, triumphantly took home on his government jet.
To press the Met for documentation on the Schimmel objects, Turkish officials said they had refused to lend to a Met exhibition that ran this year, “Byzantium and Islam: Age of Transition.”
The Met denied it had asked Turkey for pieces for the show. Its director, Thomas P. Campbell, said in an interview that the Met believed the objects sought by Turkey had been legally acquired by Norbert Schimmel in the European antiquities market in the 1960s before being donated to the museum in 1989, and thus were in compliance with the Unesco accord.
He acknowledged that most of the objects had no documented ownership history, but also said that there was no evidence of an illicit excavation. Turkish officials said they had not yet uncovered evidence proving that the objects had been illegally smuggled out.
“If evidence emerges that the objects were illegally excavated or looted, we will address that on a case-by-case basis,” Mr. Campbell said.
Mr. Campbell said the argument that objects should always be returned to their countries of origin was dubious, given that many artifacts had traveled throughout the centuries. “We are in the business of celebrating Turkish culture,” he said, “and it is the great displays in London, Paris and New York, more than anything else, that will encourage people to go to Turkey and explore their cultural heritage, and not just the sun and beach.”
Marc Masurovsky, an expert on plundered art at the Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, said it was no surprise that in the absence of an international agency to enforce anti-plunder measures, the Turks were resorting to hard-nosed diplomacy. But Turkey faces hurdles trying to apply an Ottoman law outside its borders, he noted. And even if that law is accepted as applicable, dating the illegal excavation of any site is difficult because no records are typically kept.
Still, Mr. Suslu said nothing justified theft, and he pointed to the Louvre’s possession of late-16th-century Iznik tiles that had been stolen, he said, by the French restorer Albert Sorlin-Dorigny in the 1880s. The tiles, from the mausoleum of Sultan Selim II in Istanbul, were taken to Paris for repair, but he said Sorlin-Dorigny gave them to the Louvre in 1895 instead of returning them.
The Louvre did not respond to messages seeking comment. Turkish officials said that the French insist that the tiles were given to Sorlin-Dorigny by a member of the royal family, but that they did not offer any documentary proof.
“Who in his right mind would give a present from his own relative’s tomb to a foreign country?” Mr. Suslu asked. “If you come to my house and you steal precious objects from me, do I not have a right to get them back?”
15 χρονια περιμενα για ενα αρθρο σε ελληνικη εφημεριδα…
ΔΗΜΟΣΙΕΥΘΗΚΕ: Σάββατο 13 Οκτωβρίου 2012
Απο το αρθρο : “Δεν έχουν σχέση με την ιστορία τους, ανακαλύφθηκαν όμως σε έδαφος που τους ανήκει. Και έχουν ξεκινήσει μια επιθετική πολιτική απέναντι σε μεγάλα μουσεία του κόσμου για να τα πάρουν πίσω”
TA NEA / THE NEW YORK TIMES. ΤΟΥ DAN BILETSKY
ΔΕΙΤΕ
(ΕΔΩ)
ΠΕΡΙΣΣΟΤΕΡΑ!
Σου
άρεσε το άρθρο που μόλις διάβασες;
Εάν
ναι βοήθησε μας με το να το κοινοποιήσεις
στους φίλους σου.
Σε
μια εποχή που το μυαλό μας δέχεται βροχή
γκρίζων και ίσως μαύρων ειδήσεων Ο
ΠΑΡΛΑΠΙΠΑΣ είναι ΜΙΑ
ΕΝΗΜΕΡΩΤΙΚΗ ΙΣΤΟΣΕΛΙΔΑ με
χιλιάδες άρθρα ενδιαφέροντα, χρήσιμα ΓΙΑ
ΟΛΟΥΣ προς ανάγνωση και
ενημέρωση. Κάνοντας απλώς ένα κλικ
διαβάζεις κάποιο ΝΕΟ και ενδιαφέρον
ΑΡΘΡΟ χωρίς να κατευθύνεσαι σε ένα
λαβύρινθο παραθύρων! Απλά δοκιμάστε
μας και σίγουρα θα γίνουμε καθημερινή
σας συνήθεια και η ευχάριστη ΕΝΗΜΕΡΩΤΙΚΗ
παρέα σας!
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